Why I'm trying to migrate HTM mailing lists to this forum

It allows us to organize content

There is no way to organize a mailing list except for date or subject. This forum allows me to keep categories and arrange topics within them. So folks looking for specific information can find all the topics on the subject within the category.

It gives the community more control

  • you can choose what topics and categories to follow and which ones to ignore
  • you can see more detailed information from other members, and find their previous posts easily
  • you can organize into groups for those of you interested in particular things
  • you can “like” posts, which helps identify which posts are well-received and which ones not so much (this is also informative to the poster wondering if they are providing value to the community)
  • it has a clean and intuitive user interface with lots of information and tools

It gives me more control

  • stable topic posts can be converted into wiki pages, keeping all the subsequent conversations entact
  • collaborating with members is easy with groups
  • trusted members are automatically ranked out as they interact with the forum and build up content, so I can see how people are contributing to the community and they can be rewarded

The HTM Community is growing

As it grows, we need better tooling for discussion. The mailing list technology we are using is almost 30 years old, and I don’t want to think about how it’s going to scale in an organized fashion. The tools provided by this forum will help a lot with growth issues.

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All good points Matt.

Though I see the word “control” appearing often.

I’m not sure if control is always good in scientific discussions, where new
ideas are always in the minority, almost by definition. I’m not saying it
can’t work, but there are issues.

Email is a wonderfully flat, equalizing, medium.

Maybe not directly relevant, but here’s a couple of recent opinions on
downsides of the move to a less flat, more socially controlled, web:

http://corte.si/posts/socialmedia/trouble-with-social-news.html

Once again, I’m not saying adding some structure can’t work. But babies
with bathwater. We need to make sure we keep aspects of the wonderful
accessibility and equality of flat email, with the possibility for
confrontation and cross-fertilization it offers.

-Rob

Let’s talk about my idea of “moderation / curation” when it comes to HTM Theory discussions. The last thing I want is for you or others to be surprised when I move something unexpectedly. I want everyone to feel comfortable and uncensored here. The point of moderation is not to censor, but to organize by making the context of each discussion clear.

Keep in mind the hierarchical structure of categories, topics, and replies as described in http://blog.discourse.org/2014/08/building-a-discourse-community/.

First of all, I plan on setting a few guidelines for moderation:

Moderating Topic Content

  • Do not edit topic bodies unless they violate our Code of Conduct
  • Do not edit topic titles unless:
    • a better title clarifies the topic or provides better context for the discussion
    • the original poster (OP) approves the title change
    • the original title is mentioned in a reply to retain the text for searches later

Honestly, I don’t plan on moderating topic content much at all. nupic-theory has existed for years now with no moderation at all. If a topic needs to be edited often, it’s likely because the idea behind the topic is evolving, and in this case I would advocate converting it into a wiki (but that is another topic entirely).

Curating Conversations

  • Consider moving a topic into another category when:
    • the topic is uncategorized and fits into an existing category
    • the topic is clearly posted in the wrong category
  • Consider splitting a branch of topic replies into a new topic when:
    • there are clearly multiple discussions happening in the thread with different contexts
    • a reply is left by the moderator explaining why the topic was split and where to find the branches

Note that there is a way to also a way to reply directly into a newly created topic, so I’ll also be encouraging members to branch off conversations in this fashion pre-emptively:

A concrete example

Lots of people come into nupic-theory and ask a basic question like “What about stability?” (in this forum, perhaps in the Hierarchy category). The assumed context for this question is Numenta’s current HTM theory, but this question could also be addressed in the context of other theories (like @robf’s or @fergalbyrne’s). So, as members address the OP’s topic outside the default context of Numenta’s HTM theory, they are able to “Reply as linked Topic” (see above) into a different category. If this doesn’t happen, I would likely branch replies that specifically address the topic in the context of the alternative theory into another category where it is evident that the discussion is not about the default context of the forum (Numenta’s HTM theory). As described above, I would make it clear that this moderation occurred by posting a reply linking to the branched conversation on both ends.

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I trust you will let me know if you think I’ve overstepped my boundaries with regards to moderation.

Also, I’ve been a member and a moderator of several online community forums in my life, so I know the troubles that can arise from karma systems, secret lounges, and a team of unfair moderators. All I can do is promise that I’ll be as fair as possible. Status matters to humans, and I think a ranking system, as long as it is not heavily emphasized, is nice to have just to identify members who’ve been around the longest and have had the most interesting things to say.